In 1940 a Parliamentary Home Guard unit "The Palace of Westminster Company" was established, consisting of around one hundred Members and staff of both Houses. The resulting product, which was ready for mass production in 1917, was the M1917, the direct predecessor of the M1. 3 days Left Gibson ES-330T Sunburst Electric Guitar. One is stamped 1938 in the 'furniture' and is either RAF blue or a police issue type. JOHN THE BAPTIST, LAWRENCE AND ANN) CHURCHYARD United Kingdom ' Also on the remains of the liner there should also be a date/maker name. , By In WW1 Allies: Great Britain, France, USA, etc 1914 - 1918, In Polish Armed Forces - Second Republic (Siy Zbrojne II Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej) 1918-1939, blue brodie helmet(or not) identification, Advice on purchasing a British Military MKII Helmet. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. the problem is that, all the war time services such as the ARP, NFS, and various Civil Defence Units as well as the Home Guard all were. Known M1917 Helmet Liner Manufacturers Stamp Marks. Such was the models effectiveness that large numbers of it were either purchased by nations from the US, or they developed their own clone or copycat models. While the paint was still wet it was dusted with a coat of saw dust. Leinster Regiment who died 27/02/1918 JERUSALEM MEMORIAL Israel and Palestine (including Gaza) ' What I know so far, He was injured in France in 1940 so was 'dropped' from active service. 5th Bde. It is very hard to tell from the photo. dailyinfo[30]=' B/469 Worker Charles BARLOW Australian Munition Worker who died 30/01/1918 NORTH SHEEN CEMETERY United Kingdom ' worked in or simply that he worked in a department in a parliamentary house, it's speculative at best I know ?. During the 1920s, the Army investigated several designs. UK 155428944961. FOR SALE! Who can tell me about this helmet British WW1 or WW2 or..?? Originally this was a hard-hat like support which was designed to fit inside the steel cap, offering comfort, support and an extra layer of protection. A heat stamp of 50A with an 'S' beneath it on a Schlueter manufactured helmet. The man responsible for the design of the German Stahlhelm was Dr. Friedrich Schwerd of the Technical Institute of Hannover. Copyright Treasure Bunker Ltd Its service history within the US armed forces spans a period of over forty years, being the standard issue military headgear for American soldiers between 1941 and 1983 and inspiring imitation models around the world. Kings Royal Rifle Corps who died 02/03/1915 YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL Belgium ' BRODIE HELMET $110. Lincolnshire Regiment who died 05/03/1916 CITE BONJEAN MILITARY CEMETERY, ARMENTIERES France ' Hello Gents, it's been a long time, but I am back with an ID request. The unpainted shell was dipped onto a vat of olive paint. Awesome, thanks for the replies. For instance, we are all familiar with American troops digging up foxholes to serve as make-shift beds and trenches during the Battle of the Bulge in Belgium and eastern France in the winter of 1944. Colloquially, it was called the shrapnel helmet, battle bowler, Tommy helmet, tin hat, and in the United States the doughboy helmet. Lincolnshire Regiment who died 05/03/1916 CITE BONJEAN MILITARY CEMETERY, ARMENTIERES France ' British Mark Mark I Brodie U.S. P17 helmet The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. The PASGT helmet was a new generation of combat helmet, being made from nineteen layers of Kevlar, a light-weight synthetic fibre material which offered higher levels of protection than the manganese-steel alloy from which the M1s had been manufactured. dailyinfo[14]=' 16511 Private Albert COLEMAN "D" Coy. 14th Bde. Royal Navy who died 15/03/1917 CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL United Kingdom ' var mydate=new Date() By this time a number of additional changes had been introduced to the rim design and the helmet was now known as the Mark I. While British and American helmets may be painted similar colors the finishes on the two type of helmet differ. Is it a BEF or US helmet? The British helmet is made from 21 gauge steel, while the American helmet is made from 19 gauge steel. dailyinfo[1]=' Staff Nurse Edith Mary CAMMACK Associate of the Royal Red Cross, 2nd Class 4th Southern Gen. Hos. The helmet came without the liner and the onlymark in the helmet is 4B and I don't know why but under every scratch looks red maybe the helmet was red. Yes would be very interested to see the other documents, menu and any other informationyou have as these might help with identifying the letters on the helmet. (Salonika) Territorial Force Nursing Service who died 01/03/1918 KNOWLE (SS. The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. Though I do not know the code for the manufacturers. The two WW1 Brodie Helmets, British and American, are nearly identical. The helmet was manufactured in just one stamping procedure. WW2 BRITISH ARMY Staff Officers Cap and Collar Tabs - 26.62. WW1 Brodie helmet liner and leather chinstrap which contains no harmful materials. I don't think FKS has been definitively pinned down, but most sources say it represents Firth & Sons Ltd. I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. M16 LW transitional helmet. dailyinfo[31]=' 420628 Sapper William Bayne YOUNG 63rd Field Coy. Twenty years of peace followed the end of the First World War before another major international conflict broke out. Nearly three million of these M1917 helmets were produced by the time that the war ended in November 1918, clearly indicating the importance of an effective military helmet for the American armed forces going forward. Bluecher German Navy who died 29/01/1915 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' There are some small differences though, one being British chinstrap have stamped steel or brass slide buckles while the Americans favored cast steel slide buckles. 3rd Bn. dailyinfo[21]=' L/32287 Driver John Frampton GAZE "O" Bty. plant of Ford Motor Co of Philadelphia were they were painted and assembled. Frank Harrison EDINGER Army Chaplains Department who died 26/02/1918 HOLLYBROOK MEMORIAL, SOUTHAMPTON United Kingdom ' The helmet was painted a camouflage mix of green, blue and orange, though a variety of alternative colours were also introduced for use in different theatres. Canadian Railway Troops who died 18/12/1918 BUSIGNY COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION France GWF is free to use so please support the Forum Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks By Vimyridge Thank you for that feedback! The M1 was eventually used in virtually every part of the globe, certainly everywhere that fell within the American sphere of influence during the Cold War, from the Balkans to much of South America and from West Germany to Singapore. WW1 BRITISH BRODIE Helmet SOMME relic - 60.00. var fontstart = '' He worked in WhiteHall prior to the war as a chartered surveyor. View detail. As for suppliers I found another list with a few more names that were missing from Scott's list. if (dailyinfo[daym] != "") { document.write(fontstart+dailyinfo[daym]+fontend) } The helmet was then heat cured creating a hard durable textured finish. s it original or repro or which version. I'm thinking the lettering could refer to a department he possibly. if it is red underneathit could have been. dailyinfo[5]=' 12147 Private Harry COOK 8th Bn. Artillery cartridge case of German origin, used during WW1. View detail. When the helmets are viewed side by side it is easy to see why so many people confuse one for the other. Or there are new reproduction liners also on line for sale. The British effort to do so would result in the Brodie. See Details. The steel cap could not be used without the liner, but the liner could be worn on its own and indeed was regularly employed for this purpose in ceremonial settings within the army, or as protective headgear in civil society, by, for instance, policemen and fire brigades. It it worth noting that while British servicemen were never issued with American helmets, American service men were issued British helmets. I now think the 3 letters on the fromt is actually D then a Crown then the letter H. Also after cleaning the helmet i have found the liner manufacturers: Vero 2 = Everett.W.Vero & Co London.1937 - 1944, Very interesting Tom, if it is a crown then the letters could stand for Department Head to show he was the top. Here's one I've have had in my collection for many years is this with the steel rim and second pattern liner, i would say unissued , not sure if it was for the Americans or New Zealand troops, but the main printed label is not easily read .it still maintains the crown label , the white doggy bone looking mark was on there when i got it,maybe a clumsy decorator ? var fontend = '' http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675048436_military-helmets_assembling-helmets_dipping-into-paint-tanks_wooden-crates. In conclusion, the M1 can probably be designated as the most successful combat helmet ever made. It was the standard military issue helmet, albeit with some slight alterations to it, for American soldiers in the Korean War and the Vietnam War, as well as a whole host of smaller conflicts and deployments down to the early 1980s. If it is red paint then I would agree with Colin that fire serviceis likely, perhaps even from an RAF base. Sparks Withington Co - Jackson - Michigan. As usually occurs during such periods of protracted stability, investment in innovations in military equipment was limited and there was no real urgency to develop new weapons and protective equipment. Antiques, Stamps, Coins & Militaria. Download this stock image: Canada's Brodie Seger, left, signs a fans helmet after the men's World Cup downhill ski race was cancelled at Lake Louise, Alberta, Friday, Nov. 25, 2022. Ones with three holes drilled over the ears on each side didn't pass quality . It's hard for me to tell without the liner, but could the helmet be American Colin? Specification. So is there actually a difference? After the introduction of the M1 helmet surplus M1917A1. After many experiments, Brodie came to the conclusion that a relatively simple form of helmet would offer reasonable protection, be serviceable and cheap to produce in large numbers. Eventually all his knowledge will be distilled in a book. They were produced Nov.1940 thru May 1941. We live day by day, and I always say: yesterday is history, today's reality, and tomorrow's a dream.' Over time this would nullify any anti-reflective properties the finish possessed thus putting the wearing in danger. if (dailyinfo[daym] != "") { document.write(fontstart+dailyinfo[daym]+fontend) } The chinstrap isn't a British one, or at least it's not a wartime example. Those U.S. forces that worked with the French Army wore the Adrian Helmet. Yet its use did not stop there. WW1 Canadian British CEF BEF Brodie Helmet & Liner. dailyinfo[6]=' 345190 Sapper Forrest A. KNOWLES Canadian Signal Corps who died 06/03/1921 REIDS MILLS CEMETERY Canada ' Production increased rapidly in 1916 and by that summer over a million units had been produced. Please enquire in advance about our arrangements for telephone bidding. Welcome to the forum SR71, there's not much to go on without it's liner. There were at least six British helmet manufactures and nine steel suppliers. Inland = Inland Manufacturing Co ( General Motors ) - Ohio. Firth & Sons. The British troops followed with the Brodie helmet. var daym=mydate.getDate() ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. It was made of mild steel originally, but this was quickly dispensed with and a harder type of steel was introduced alloyed with manganese, a mixture known as Hadfield Steel after its developer, the English metallurgist, Sir Robert Hadfield. Good, they are MK II lugs, so that puts it in theWW2 period. Your link has been automatically embedded. English: The "Brodie" shrapnel helmet was the flat steel helmet worn by British Empire troops in the first and second world wars, and U.S. troops in World War I. helmets which have a wide range of different paint colours and textures, most of these new helmetswere made in early 1941. Tom.Delahoyde The threads that discuss the helmet will contain lots more information. When the First World War erupted in the autumn of 1914 all of the major powers were lacking any type of military headgear which could offer effective protection in the face of modern warfare and weaponry. It was in production already in the summer of 1915 when he was issued with his patent, but it would quickly evolve into a new design in the autumn as some deficiencies in the original were quickly removed and improvements were introduced. Royal Air Force who died 24/02/1919 LINCOLN (NEWPORT) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Category. The British did have an upgrade that was never adopted by the Americans. Copyright Treasure Bunker Ltd Failing this, simply search on this forum under Brodie and you should find a wealth of information etc. Accordingly, the American government purchased hundreds of thousands of Brodie helmets from the British as a stop-gap measure. The helmet was basically an inverted bowl stamped out of a single piece of manganese alloy, which was made up of 13 percent manganese and was .036" thick. 14th Bde. Depending on your recommendation and initial read, I may take some light sandpaper to the brim and see what I can find. These original British Brodie helmets were designated the Mk 1 Steel Helmet, and nicknamed after the inventor who designed and patented them in 1915, "John Leopold Brodie". dailyinfo[4]=' Matrose Paul KURZKE Torpedoboot "G85" German Navy who died 04/03/1919 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' depaor014 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia. The color of paint used by both the British and American manufactures do show some similarity. The first Brodie helmets entered service in September 1915 but the number of them being produced at this early date was so limited that they were stored in the trenches and given to individuals who were most susceptible to attacks on a given day. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. He worked in Eastgate House, Exter. Some form of identification may be required if you are unknown to us. Welcome to the forum, is the red definitely paint? inspection stamp mark I've seen them before on liners. Consequently a plastic liner, engineered by the car company, General Motors, was introduced, and it was this method, albeit with some alterations to the chin straps and other accoutrements, which was employed for decades in conflicts such as the Korean War and the Vietnam War. By 1916, Brodie helmet . Thus, over a quarter of a century it had seen widespread service from the trenches of northern France in 1915 to the flight from that same region twenty-five years later, an action which ensured that Britain could continue the fight against Nazi Germany. Why I speak of our Canadian Great war forumyou know, us Canadians? It's definitely a British Mk I helmet. U.S. P17 chinstrap bail L31cm x D29cm x H12cm. No liner and what looks like a disintegrating pad (asbestos concern?). It is unknown what is any maker marks these companies used. British Mark I Brodie Helmet. I need your help to identify this helmet shell. NOT JUST RESTORATION. Category:Brodie helmets. I looked around and could not find any listings for that steel maker. My reply to to that collector is below "If the Brodie Red stamp has the words "patent applied" then it's pre pre Aug 1916 , post Aug 1916 stamps were marked "patent no.1 18 03/16". Royal Marine Light Infantry who died 17/03/1918 BELLAVISTA OLD BRITISH CEMETERY Peru ' The brim is quite shallow in width & the lining system comprises a padding fixed to the crown comprising layers of felt, lint, and cotton wool. The use of a thicker bail and steel rivet to secure the holder would have minimized the chance of the bail coming lose during combat. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN France ' Paste as plain text instead, ww1, field, identification, tag, a e wilson, 10th, ambulance. I find the M1 an excellent helmet when properly adjusted. June 9, 2018 in The buckle and loop clamps of the initial issue of this chinstrap were painted green. Thanks for the video, i will show my step father and see if he can recognise his dad, I would think this is more likelyto be lettering on a Civil Defence unit helmet than Home Guard. Missing the chinstrap and liner. accross the pond,? dailyinfo[6]=' 345190 Sapper Forrest A. KNOWLES Canadian Signal Corps who died 06/03/1921 REIDS MILLS CEMETERY Canada ' 2nd Bn. I am also unsure whether he began workingin Parliament before or after the war, i will be able to tell you tomorrow though. The Advanced Combat Helmet, the current combat helmet used by the U.S. Army, was included (size large, denoted ACH) for comparison to current combat helmets. In total the steel cap, liner and the accoutrements such as the chinstrap weighed 2.85 pounds or 1.29 kgs. M1 Helmet Identification; Shipping; Sizing; 1-877-862-5245; TOP POTS - DEDICATED TO M-1 HELMET PRESERVATION. dailyinfo[12]=' 457 Lance Corporal Arthur Price ROWE 2nd/7th Bn. "The French came up with the first 'proper' helmet. The front is marked in original period paint: Mac Kay C.WU The paint is 100% original. to attach them. It may be tempting for some to say because the two types of helmets look so similar they are the same. (Salonika) Territorial Force Nursing Service who died 01/03/1918 KNOWLE (SS. . As for the number/letter code, that is the code for the manufacturer and the manufacturer's lot number. man in charge. Seaforth Highlanders who died 20/03/1919 BEIRUT WAR CEMETERY Lebanese Republic ' If it is a British helmet, you will find a rubber doughnut in the crown of the helment, and the bales are often installed with split rivets. Meccano This was the American M1 helmet, arguably the most iconic and recognizable military helmet produced in modern times. I would leave the chin strap that is original, it's up to you what you want to do, with the helmet shell, it would have had an originalBMB liner dated the same as the shell, but I've seen BMB helmets with other maker. Really appreciate the expertise provided here and hoping that you can help me with the helmet pictured. It may have been refurbished by the Americans during the 1930s and had new mounts added, which they did to both British and American Helmets, if you can find a makers mark you will know for sure. The chinstrap bails on a British Mark I and a U.S. P17 are of a completely different design. What are the chances that the Big Red One emblem is original? I too have seen dates on these lugs most often the way your pictures show them. Accordingly the main actors in the war quickly began developing new headgear. dailyinfo[2]=' 8020 Serjeant Charles POOLE "C" Coy. The British Mark I chinstrap bails are made from 16 gauge brass or in some cases steel wire. Upload or insert images from URL. As the use of the helmet spread it became known by several other names, including the shrapnel helmet, the battle bowler (owing to its resemblance to a bowler hat), the Tommy helmet (owing to its employment by American troops), the tin hat and the doughboy helmet, doughboy being a widely used name for American infantrymen during the First World War. This dilemmaseems to become particularly problematic for the British reenactors who after spending hundred of dollars on their kit accidentally purchase an American helmet because they dont know the difference, or for collectors who want one or the other represented in their collection. Over the next nearly four years down to the end of the war in August 1945 over 22 million M1s were produced, either for use by America or its allies. Specification. Although the helmet shells do look the same they do not feel the same. It was replaced by the M1917AI. Powered by Invision Community, Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks, Upcoming changes to logging in - click here, GWF is free to use so please support the Forum. I'm putting in a picture. ", You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. He was in standard active service but was injured in 1941/42 and it was then when he was positioned at Parliament. Re: Help Identifying Brodie Helmet A post 1939 dated British Mk2, have a look around the chin strap lugs for a date/maker name. "We Cannot Always Buy What We Want, But We Buy What We Can". The series of number which follow the manufacture mark is a heating lot number used by the factory in the manufacturing process. //-->, By . Royal Air Force who died 24/02/1919 LINCOLN (NEWPORT) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' The helmet is indeed a M1917A1 shell made by ( the McCord Radiator Co ) the stamp mark ( 4B ) is a heat, or batch stampnumber used for quality control. By Parrotman287 1 year ago. dailyinfo[8]=' 13277 Labourer Klaas NERO South African Native Labour Corps who died 08/03/1917 PUGU ROAD 1914-1918 MEMORIAL Tanzania ' By The helmet istself is a Mk.1* but i have looked and cannot find any manufacturer stamps on either the helmet or liner/strap. Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France ' I have had a good look at your helmet again and managed to find another one to compare,This is an American, Here is a British made helmet from the same period, look at the rim joint how clean the joint is put together, now take a look at the rim joints. It also is interesting that the British kept the Brodie Helmet while the US went to the M1 for better protection. Imperial Russian Adrian helmet. The development of a replacement model, the Mark II, and its widespread distribution from 1940 onwards meant that the evacuation from Dunkirk was one of the last military campaigns during which the original Brodie was worn extensively by British troops.
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