Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Brady posted his confession on social media, rekindling a. ", "10 highlights from Jon Gruden's Raiders news conference, including 'Tom Brady fumbled' Reference", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tuck_Rule_Game&oldid=1142353824, Sports competitions in Foxborough, Massachusetts, January 2002 sports events in the United States, 21st century in Foxborough, Massachusetts, All Wikipedia articles written in American English, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 23:18. "[2] Correct call. Outside of the winner of Super Bowl XXXVI, not much would have changed. Is the tuck rule, on the other hand, still in effect? The tuck rule was called in Week 2 of an NFL regular season matchup on September 23, 2001, between the New England Patriots and the New York Jets. Replays showed there was no illegal contact. In this case, they clearly took a victory away from the Raiders. Well guess what, the raiders won the game when Woodson forced the fumble and Beikert fell on it. The QB decides NOT to throw the ball, fumbles it, but its not a fumble. That has to be the dumbest rule in the book. They had already lost in the playoffs and Mike Pereira and his crew of crooked and biased referees can go straight to hell for their ignorance! Also the fact that Pereria had to struggle with defending it FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS after the fact before finally COMING CLEAN only goes to prove the point that the Tuck Rule is a BAD rule (sorry Harrisonhits2 your logic above is as bad as usually). A few plays later, Raiders defensive back Johnnie Harris intercepted a pass from Brady on the Patriots 41-yard line, but New England's defense managed to force a punt, which would be the final result of every following drive from either team until the end of the half. [13] The Pittsburgh Steelers voted against abolition, while two teams, the Patriots and Redskins, abstained from the vote. If the decision had remained a fumble, it would have almost certainly sealed the game for Oakland. And Ive reached a point where I dont have hate for the Raiders anymore. I think that the play 10 years ago should have been a fumble. That being said, this is the NFL and it is what it is until they change it. Please explain Einstein how you can have an incomplete pass without first throwing the football? As it happens, his last game involved the Patriots. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. "The tuck rule was called in Week 2 of an NFL regular season matchup on September 23, 2001, between the New England Patriots and the New York Jets. Poor teams point to adversity as the reason for their failure. Patriots kicker Adam Vinatieri later tied the game with a 45-yard field goal; in overtime, the Patriots defeated the Raiders on another field goal. By. Elyasmmy earlier reply to you did not get posted like it should have. Players constantly diving after fumbles or incomplete passes. Everyone acts like they didnt drive down the field and have Vinatieri kick one of the most difficult field goals in league history, followed by driving down the field in OT to get another score. By Pereiras estimate, its been called 120-150 times since it was called in the Raiders-Patriots playoff game (see 2005 story linked in my earlier post) and many times before then, so every team has experienced it MULTIPLE TIMES, though admittedly with lesser importance than that famous instance. To say that the Raiders simply were beaten by the Patriots is one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Yes, we have hit the 20-year anniversary of the famous infamous Tuck Rule game. I will never understand why the media will not set this straight. Yes maybe it was the correct rule or whatever, I'm not arguing that. i lilke the rule n think its a good one but wouldnt care to see it removed.. fumbles in general. Your reasoning is flawed because you are obviously a biased patriot fan who enjoyed rodney harrision and his cheap shots. It sure looks like it did, or even got really really close, but there's no way you can say it 100% didn't touch it, therefore you couldn't be able to overturn the call. We all no how that game SHOULD HAVE ended!! Im sure its no consolation to the many Raiders fans around the country. (#94 -> #33, for example). The NFL defended the call, but Bruce Allen, who ran the front office for the Raiders at the time of the game, said, "The rule itself doesn't bother me, but the way the rule is written, it was a fumble. It's the way it's worded. 20 years later, the Tuck Rule remains one of the biggest and most polarizing moments in NFL history. Now to take a look at this play and the impact it had, let's take a time machine back to 2002. You my friend do not ever need to make another post regarding the tuck rule. owners passed a rule by a vote of 31 to 1 that will enforce Coughlin's point. Jan 11, 2011 12:09 PM Gruden made a reference to the Tuck Rule game in his introductory press conference upon his return to the Raiders, turning to former Raiders cornerback Charles Woodson and saying "Brady fumbled that ball". Moreover, you Patsy fans will say let it go because it was years ago now, and yet, when the Tuck Rule happened, you all immediately called it justice for the Ben Dreith game. What time do NFL fantasy waivers go through? A fresh investigation into New England's conduct has reignited debate over the moral background of the organization and its long history of pushing boundaries of the NFL rulebook under Bill Belichick. Who cares if they throw out the rule or not. There should also be some kind of rule that stops the Patriots from acquiring draft picks in one year, that turn out to be better the next. By taking the hit, the Patsies also got to see what the Raiders were doing defensively. Yeah, this is the problem. With the Patriots heading to the Black Hole to meet the Raiders on. Knowing what we now know about Belichick, is there any chance he was turning down a first-round pick from the Bills and the opportunity to shed the richest contract in NFL history? But now Pereira says the rule needs to be scrapped. No kidding Pereira. Once the arm has moved forward with ball in hand, it is a pass attempt even after the arm has stopped moving forward (even voluntarily), until the time when the ball is tucked away, which means presumably not just in the QBs hand but protected by an arm. Bradys was a fumble. And the other Super Bowls he would have gone on to win would have sealed it. Incomplete pass? He then got hit and fumbled. Dont fix what aint broke. Why? "[12] Several Raiders players and observers also said that the Tuck Rule led to head coach Jon Gruden's departure from the team, as owner Al Davis was apparently angry that Gruden did not protest the call vehemently enough. That's before and after the LOS so this would mean most passes would be contested on the field. If we would have gotten the call the way it should have been, the Patriots would have never drove down and tied the game up, thus no overtime drive, and again no field-goal. raidernationbaby: It warms my heart to hear you say that. Jan 11, 2011 1:09 PM Tucker makes the case that there is a war against Christians happening in America on 'Tucker Carlson Tonight:' TUCKER CARLSON: You always imagine in your mind's eye that it's evil men who destroy . Thus, the original call was overturned, and New England maintained possession. The fact that so many Raider fans are still this upset tells me that things have evened out for that bad call in 1976. This solution also solves intentional grounding. Before I continue, yes, the Tuck Rule made the difference in that game, for all of you Patriot fans out there. I still say he had a personal stake in a Raider victory. 2 The 'tuck rule' became famous after a New England vs Oakland showdown in 2002 Credit: AFP 1:13 pm ET. My god. hahaha Ben????? NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, and Note 2 were stated. While pumping the football, Brady was hit on his right side by a blitzing Raiders cornerback Charles Woodson (Brady's teammate at Michigan). The Tuck Rule has changed the careers of Tom Brady and Bill Belichick forever . PRIDE AND POISE RAIDER NATION Geeze the moron Raider fans really come out over the tuck rule. Football legend Tom Brady has admitted that his career could have gone very differently if it wasn't for a ruling which went his way in 2002. What is the tuck rule in NFL and why is it controversial? Any idea which it actually was? if i was a raiders fan my bedroom would look like finkels and my mother certainly wouldnt be giving out cookies at the door. And even Marshall Faulk started to decline after that 2001 season. And having the help of replay, the ref ref who overturned the fumble should have been fired on the spot. For one, do you know anything about football? i cant help but wonder how many patriots fans that have posted here about how right that tuck rule call was would be ticked off if the shoe was on the other foot and the raiders had been the ones to retain possession. It prohibits runners and defenders from lowering their heads and striking a forcible blow with. Buy Raiders Tickets. The Tuck Rule Victoria Saeli Sports 4.9 29 Ratings; A weekly football podcast hosted by Victoria (@dirtbagqueer) and Katie (@KatesOfHeaven). The Tuck Rule was first enforced in 2001 when Vinny Testaverde faced the Patriots. It would be the same as saying when a QB is handing off to a RB and the ball comes out, the QB is technically passing the ball to the RB so it should be an incomplete pass, also. Now, in 1976, an old, blind ref name Ben Dreith, called a phantom roughing the passer penalty on Ray Hamilton of the Patriots in an AFC divisional against the Raiders. Later in the quarter, Patriots receiver Troy Brown returned Shane Lechler's 37-yard punt 27 yards to the Patriots 46-yard line. Here is the problem, and why the tuck rule is a rule. [1] Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer lost the football while in the Broncos' own end zone. Coleman's announcement stated that the ball was moving forward at the time at which it was dropped. 1 draft pick, Mike Pereira: Time to change the tuck rule, Report: Derek Carr wants $35 million per year, The Raiders are the betting favorites to land Aaron Rodgers, Mike McCarthy: Kellen Moore wants to light the scoreboard up, I want to run the damn ball, ESPN reiterates report that Lamar Jackson wants a fully-guaranteed deal, Arrest warrant issued for Jalen Carter for reckless driving, racing, Aaron Rodgers says hell make a decision soon enough, Competition Committee begins to explore the quarterback push play, Players say Chiefs discourage them from reporting injuries, have NFLs worst training staff, Report: Jalen Carter was present at teammates fatal crash, misled police about it. I love how people act like the Pats won against the Raiders only because of the tuck rule. Losing on a fluke (and possibly bad) call is much more palatable than getting blown out. That set the tone for two more Raiders Super Bowl victories in the following decade. The tuck rule came up three times in the final week of the regular season. The arm is moving forward in both cases. What channel is the NFL Network on Time Warner Cable? Were talking, of course, about the infamous Tuck Rule game, in which the New England Patriots, thanks to a late Tom Brady fumble being overturned because of an obscure rule, beat the Oakland Raiders to advance to the 2002 AFC Championship Game. "The Tuck Rule" changed Tom Brady's career. Should it be changed?surebut that wont reverse history. January 16, 2019 10:09 pm PT. The Oakland Raiders were playing the New England Patriots, whose quarterback was Tom Brady. I would support a rule change, although it took me a long time to get to this point, Pereira said. And even if they got there, the high-powered Rams awaited. I am writing because harrisonhits2 has pissed me off with his idiotic post above. In the overtime, Vinatieri kicked a 23-yard field goal to win the game for the Patriots. During ESPN's new 30 for 30 documentary called, "The Tuck Rule", the future Hall of Fame quarterback admitted that if he didn't lead the New. Dont let the damn lawyers write the rules anymore. Tom Brady should have to throw left handed if he hasnt thrown an INT in three games. Whoever devised the Tuck Rule was drinking more than thier fair share of Scotch that day. Three plays later, Antowain Smith picked up eight yards for a first down at the Oakland 9 and the Patriots, now going against the wind, fought to set up the game-winning kick. The Patriots should never had got that first Super Bowl. WE WILL WIN! At all the Raider knuckleheads: According to the exact wording of the rule, when a quarterback goes to pass the football, his hand is considered in throwing motion until the ball is completely stopped or pulled down in attempt to begin a run. No . My god. Learn how your comment data is processed. end of story. What time do NFL fantasy waivers go through? Hearing Lewis say that the tuck rule is the only reason we know about a man who's won three Super Bowls, has twice been named NFL MVP (including the first-ever unanimous MVP), has made 10. Uhh, I do believe it does make sense for the QB to be in the act of passing for it to be ruled an incomplete pass. Pulling the ball back is not passing and should be no different then a running back not securing the ball and getting it stripped away. I know this play has caused Raider fans and many other fans significant consternation over the years. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. There was less than 2 min left in the game when that fumble happened Unlikely the Pats wouldve gotten the ball back. So in your opinion that 2nd down and 10 really sealed the game for the Pats even though it didnt create a score, and the Pats still trailed at that point in the game. So get over it, Charles Woodson. While it appeared that Brady had tucked the ball back towards his body, the officials were not sure and ruled it a fumble so they could review the play. Wow. On the field, referee Mike Carey ruled it a fumble. And in Oakland, does Jon Gruden stick around instead of getting traded to Tampa Bay and wining a Super Bowl there? Before you go spitting your bs about roughing the passer not being called, how about watching the replay again and again and again. In the 4th quarter, Raiders' cornerback Charles Woodson tackled Patriots' quarterback Tom Brady, causing what initially appeared to be a fumble that was recovered by Raiders' linebacker Greg Biekert. Even Brady said he fumbled. This seems like it would mess up the plays where the QB fumbles the ball and then smacks it forward 20 yards. QBs dont deserve a free pass. So, either way, Grudens time in Oakland was likely over. I dont even think Cassel was tucking the ball. Enjoyable result! Here's the official ruling, from section 22, article 2 of the NFL's rulebook. I question the existence of the Tuck Rule. The NFL championship was the first in the club's history and began a period of dominance for the Patriots in the 2000s and 2010s that included eight additional Super Bowl appearances with five more titles, in Super Bowls XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI, and LIII. But on replay, Carey said it was an incomplete pass because of the tuck rule. By rule, it was not a fumble. But, then again, he had already built up that reputation as a defensive coordinator with the Giants his game plan for Super Bowl XXV against the Bills is actually in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Here's the thing. It was 20 years ago today, when the Patriots played the Raiders, in a snow bowl matchup often referred to as as 'The Tuck Rule Game." The resulting win, leading to an incredible run of postseason victories and Super Bowls for former Patriots quarterback Tom Brady and the Patriots. This season marks the 10th anniversary of the famous "Tuck Rule" game between the New England Patriots and Oakland Raiders. The Tuck Rule rules that his pass was incomplete. So please, for the love of god, SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!! Now if you could just pick up a first down on 3rd and 1, the Pats never get it back in the first place. Its just like that asinine interpretation about end-zone catches requiring a Football Move after the catch to be ruled a completion. this way its absolutely fair for both teams (given that you can agree that his arm was going forward).. To me problem solved, its intentional grounding. There will be more than one character in some, Eggs are not commonly found in tortillas. Football legend Tom Brady has admitted that his career could have gone very differently if it wasn't for a ruling which went his way in 2002. "The five most significant plays in recent NFL history", "The NFL's 10 Greatest Postseason Games of the 2000s", "NFL rescinds 'tuck rule' The Boston Globe", "New York Jets at New England Patriots - September 23rd, 2001 - Pro-Football-Reference.com", "Holy Tuck: An oral history of the Raiders-Patriots Tuck Rule Game, which 15 years ago forever altered the NFL", "Best kick ever? According Paragraph 3036 of Marine Corps Order P1020.34G, which governs uniform regulations, wearing an olive-drab undershirt while in cammies is optional, though in the case of parades . Unfortunately, most fans will never take the time to see why the rule is there in the first place. Tuck rule or not the raiders got robbed. New England had no timeouts left, but with the clock stopped, Brady here had a short conversation with offensive coordinator Charlie Weis. Plain and simple. You guys amaze me with your stupid rule book bs. This is consistent with most NFL rules as the league tries to make as many rules applications as possible a simple black-white decision (think helmet-to-helmet contact). Jan 11, 2011 3:17 PM He admits he got lucky in the first one.Brady's first postseason win, with the 2001 Patriots, featured the infamous "tuck rule" in which the officials on the field ruled that he fumbled, only to have replay overturn it to an incomplete [more] I've heard it as week 2 and also your later game against the Jets. The officials rule fumble. He's already completed his "pump" the ball has come back and touched his other hand. Now, riders caught in any unsanctioned position, such as the supertuck or the time trial position, on or after April 1 will be sanctioned up to the point of suspension, according to a February 4 . After he had begun a passing motion, Brady clearly ceased his throwing motion, pulled his right hand down below his shoulder and had touched the ball to his left hand when, coming off the strong side corner blitz, Charles Woodson knocked the ball out of Brady's hands. That was the last great Rams team, not matter how their season ended. - ", 2020 THE SUN, US, INC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED | TERMS OF USE | PRIVACY | YOUR AD CHOICES | SITEMAP, The 'tuck rule' became famous after a New England vs Oakland showdown in 2002, Brady in action during snowy conditions at what became known as the 'Tuck Rule Game'. But..the reversal was the correct call at the time, because thats the way the rule was written then, and thats the way the rule still reads today. Many thought it was a fumble, which would have essentially sealed the game for the away team. I might be better off looking it up. The owners abolished the rule with a 291 vote, with Pittsburgh Steelers the only team to vote against. Its called a clue. However, you should always double-check the ingredients on the package to see if the product contains eggs. whats funny is this is the one rule i actually liked.. its funny because tom brady did it and it became a rule.. and now a fairly lesser popular Qb to say the least has the same thing happen in playoffs and it needs 2 be changed? In the end JUSTICE prevailed. For that matter, neither do most sports writers. Press J to jump to the feed. The tuck rule was in place for several years before that game, it was not invented on the spot as you seem to think. Agree the play alone didnt lose the game for the Raiders, but the emotional swing in the game after that call was reversed was obvious. Plain and simple. He was not tucking it after deciding not to throw the ball. Officials overturned the fumble call, invoking the Tuck Rule, which currently says that if a quarterback has started his arm forward for a forward pass, even if he loses control of the ball. Thank you. Duh. people dont realize after that turnover the very next play would be a 3 kneeldowns and the game over, # FYI, I dont give a crap about the Ben Dreith call. [17], Up to his retirement at the end of the 2018 season, Coleman officiated 265 more NFL games, including 21 more involving the Patriots, but none involving the Raiders. The Tom Brady rule states that a defender on the ground who has not been pushed into the quarterback cannot lunge at a quarterback's knee or lower legs. The officials initially called the play a recovered fumble, which would have sealed the victory for the Raiders. In most cases where the Tuck Rule has been applied, the call would have been a fumble in those other associations. The most unnatural rule in football. Remember how you sucked in the Tampa Bay superbowl? Whatever raider fans. Updated. raidernationbaby says: - It was the right call. If the Raiders pull out the Tuck Rule game, they are probably losing one of their next two games, and doing so in embarrassing fashion. (GIF) : nfl. The nation was still recovering from 9/11. But the rule, while it . Impossible. See my post before yours. Nonetheless, Raiders quarterback Rich Gannon completed 10 of 14 passes for 87 yards. Is it any coincidence that that rule never came up until the last couple of years? Mike Pereira: Time to create an unneccesary headline and go against everything I have ever said when working in the NFL so Fox can pimp me some more. If you watch the replay of Cassels arm (or Bradys for that matter) you can clearly see that his arm is moving forward when he loses possession. After review. In 2012, on the ten-year anniversary of the game, Coleman told ESPN that he did not see Brady lose the ball, and, as NFL refs were trained to do in this situation, ruled it a fumble because that call could be reviewed while an incomplete pass could not. If it goes against the Raiders, reverse the call on the field. I know who else was disappointed that the Patriots didnt beat the Raiders in 1976The Minnesota VikingsThey might have finally won a Super Bowl if they had been playing the Patriots instead of the Raiders that year. Since then, the match has been known as the 'Tuck Rule Game'. [1] Afterwards, Redskins head coach Joe Gibbs said, "It makes no sense to me. Thats what most Raiders fans cant ever grasp: it was not a bad call. Gruden was dismissive of Davis' views on the matter, and the subsequent breakdown in relations between owner and coach led to Gruden being traded to Tampa Bay and becoming their head coach in 2002.
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